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【悪】GIGABYTEのマザボ、新リビジョンで劣化

1 :Socket774:2015/04/22(水) 09:51:29.25 ID:L+iBWzSa.net
GIGABYTEの「リビジョン」によるマザーボードの品質劣化が暴かれる
http://gigazine.net/news/20150422-gigabyte-revisions/

「GIGABYTE(ギガバイト)のマザーボードがオリジナルモデルから変更されている」と投稿されました。
不具合などの修正のためにハードウェアの同じモデルでパーツなどが変更されることは
「リビジョン」と呼ばれており、珍しいことではないのですが、Hardware.Infoが変更された
マザーボードをテストしたところ、オリジナルモデルよりも明らかに性能が劣化していることが明らかになりました。

以前にKingstonが「V300」というSSDをリビジョンチェンジした事例では、パフォーマンス低下が判明しています。
それと同様の見えない「バージョンダウン」が、GIGABYTEのマザーボードでも見つかっているとのこと

GIGABYTEの「B85M-HD3」の「REV:1.0」(左)と「REV:2.0」(右)を並べた写真。
使われているパーツがかなり変更されていることが分かりますが、どちらも同じ製品として販売されています。
CPUパワーの低下や電源フェーズ数の減少が確認されています。
http://i.gzn.jp/img/2015/04/22/gigabyte-revisions/gigabyte-motherboard.jpg
「REV:2.0」では手動でターボ設定にしないと「REV:1.0」と同等の数値が得られていません。
http://i.gzn.jp/img/2015/04/22/gigabyte-revisions/snap8812.png

「このようなリビジョンがもし法律で認められるとしても、消費者に対する健全なアプローチではない」としており、
「Kingstonと同様に、高評価レビューを得た後にリビジョンを実施しているのは明らかだ」と指摘しています。

2 :Socket774:2015/04/22(水) 10:05:08.80 ID:JLa0gjuk.net
あぶねえ買うとこだった

ちなみに、MSI A68Hマザーを買うけど

3 :Socket774:2015/04/22(水) 10:34:26.09 ID:megzo03f.net
部品数がっつり減ってるな
別物じゃん

4 :Socket774:2015/04/22(水) 10:51:52.17 ID:ujvBFcAv.net
revで性能上がってくのかと思ってた。
うちのは1.0でよかった

5 :Socket774:2015/04/22(水) 11:37:23.38 ID:FaZKVvTO.net
rev商法ってだけでも批判されてたのにもう誰も買わないんじゃないか?

6 :Socket774:2015/04/22(水) 12:07:54.73 ID:x1HR23Tt.net
まさにスカ

7 :Socket774:2015/04/22(水) 12:11:11.93 ID:L3Uh5ATr.net
これはひどいなw
MSIはリビジョン変更があっても一部改修とかされてるのがわかるぐらい
しかしもう最近はほぼ初回の設計のままで
BIOS改修で修正し切るぐらいの非常に高いレベルに設計技術が上がってる
積極的に大手メーカーへのOEM等供給で経験値積んでるから
ギガのこれはもはや別物化してるw

8 :Socket774:2015/04/22(水) 12:11:22.92 ID:u4axM4RW.net
トロ

9 :Socket774:2015/04/22(水) 12:15:48.41 ID:OYXYn9U3.net
>>1
逆に、rev上がったら性能も上がった
っていうソースは無いんかい?
別にgigabyteじゃなくてもいいが

10 :Socket774:2015/04/22(水) 12:28:34.91 ID:47STRAnp.net
>>9
GIGABYTEぐらいだぞ下がるの
普通リビジョンアップなんて搭載チップ変わるとかお色直しするとかそんなもんだぞ

11 :Socket774:2015/04/22(水) 13:27:50.40 ID:KId4tNup.net
ビデオカードと電源ユニットにも疑惑の目が向けられる

12 :Socket774:2015/04/22(水) 13:55:02.24 ID:gFR0FPue.net
http://i.gzn.jp/img/2015/04/22/gigabyte-revisions/snap8812.png
消費電力の低下のわりにはベンチの数値はそれほど落ちてないから
名前さえ変えればよかったのにね。

13 :Socket774:2015/04/22(水) 14:05:37.10 ID:N51lsxgw.net
1のターボ設定てのがよくわからんが、
ベンチ走らせてもターボブーストされない
ってことなのか?
ならばそれ欠陥じゃないの?

14 :Socket774:2015/04/22(水) 14:20:50.74 ID:VPPEheix.net
さすがにコンデンサの数や電源フェーズが減らされてたら別物じゃん

メーカーの言い分としては部品減らしても水準は満たしてて今までと同じ品質(ry

一度GIGABYTEマザー使ってたけど新リビで古い烙印押されてた感覚あったけど、逆に誇れる時代か

15 :Socket774:2015/04/22(水) 14:34:46.22 ID:65X496EO.net
http://www.hkepc.com/12018
http://www.hkepc.com/12469

16 :Socket774:2015/04/22(水) 14:36:22.98 ID:1Jd4WjkK.net
年金・健康保険・労働条件が変われば
喜ぶネトウヨ
あとデフレ脱却と消費税アップ

17 :Socket774:2015/04/22(水) 14:40:00.99 ID:rBzf3pQ+.net
value版てとこか
メーカー製に組み込まれたら解らんよね

18 :Socket774:2015/04/22(水) 14:53:17.11 ID:piwebhiN.net
AM3+の760G板のリビ更新でVIAのHDオーディオコーデックが蟹に変更になってた例があった
こういうのは歓迎なんだが

19 :Socket774:2015/04/22(水) 15:08:49.15 ID:e5A1vkpp.net
マジかよDFI最低だな

20 :Socket774:2015/04/22(水) 15:11:23.60 ID:WFm5iV4I.net
俺も含め戯画のRev商法はそこそこ自作歴の長い自作erなら誰でも知っていると思うが
Revチェンジは基本改良の為であって逆に、ここまで酷い改悪してるとは思わなかったわ
負荷時の安定性に直結する電源フェーズ数を減らすなんて特に悪質

21 :Socket774:2015/04/22(水) 15:11:32.28 ID:piwebhiN.net
乱パってHDコーデックは蟹じゃなかった?

22 :Socket774:2015/04/22(水) 15:32:30.80 ID:Dyvr3KCf.net
先月買ったらコレだった。
revision変わってるの知らなかったから、家帰ってシール見た時に
ん??って感じだったわ笑
その後ググって、あぁーあってなった。

23 :Socket774:2015/04/22(水) 15:41:02.76 ID:E7JNU8Vd.net
キングストンかと思った

24 :Socket774:2015/04/22(水) 15:55:56.67 ID:m8o3L9jJ.net
初期ロットがご祝儀価格とか言われているけど、実際はパーツ削られて値段が熟れているだけ。
ロット毎に部品品質が落とされてて3次ロットくらいになると初期とは別物になっている。
それでも性能低下までは行かないけど戯画はやり過ぎ。

25 :Socket774:2015/04/22(水) 16:02:42.15 ID:SXMbhXJW.net
ギガバイトが
悪質な詐欺会社だと聞いてやってきました

もう一生ギガバイト製品は買いません

26 :Socket774:2015/04/22(水) 16:22:09.20 ID:k0n4MpQX.net
別に出せる性能同じなら今まで過剰だった部分をカットするのは問題無いだろ

27 :Socket774:2015/04/22(水) 17:04:03.95 ID:nl/SFSwf.net
リファービッシュ流通の多さといいギガバイ子ちゃんはNG

28 :Socket774:2015/04/22(水) 18:00:13.62 ID:JLa0gjuk.net
もう最近はASUSしか買ってない

29 :Socket774:2015/04/22(水) 18:16:29.22 ID:OJeLJh8x.net
訳あり安売り品としてギガバイトマザーがいっぱい並んでたんだけどもしかして…(´・ω・`)

30 :Socket774:2015/04/22(水) 19:20:09.19 ID:j0sLJLYz.net
>>28
ASUSは初物がアレだが、こまめにBIOSリリースして改善してくれるからいいな
GIGAは放置プレイしたあとリビジョン変更で旧製品見捨てるからなw

31 :Socket774:2015/04/22(水) 19:36:55.54 ID:JLa0gjuk.net
ちなみに、富士通さんがギガバイトにマザーボードを卸してもらってるけど、
過去に富士通はハードディスクで辛酸なめてるからなぁ

32 :Socket774:2015/04/22(水) 19:37:58.42 ID:piwebhiN.net
データロストで辛酸舐めたのはPCで不治痛HDD使ってた一般ユーザーであって不治痛は痛くもかゆくもないだろw

33 :Socket774:2015/04/22(水) 20:32:37.59 ID:H58kY6Te.net
そのクレームは富士通に向けられるだろ

34 :Socket774:2015/04/22(水) 20:36:31.45 ID:xaQp2yRH.net
おまえらECSなんて公式サイトにAll固体コン仕様の写真上げといて実物は液コンとか日常茶飯事だからな
かわいいかわいい

35 :Socket774:2015/04/22(水) 20:39:55.81 ID:piwebhiN.net
>>33
不治痛では小売やってないからエンドユーザーからのクレームに対応する責任はねえよ
実際OEMの大口相手にしかサポートなかったろ

36 :Socket774:2015/04/22(水) 20:44:12.45 ID:UYJkstNT.net
なんだよ・・・上がるごとに不具合が修正されてたりするんじゃねーのかよw

37 :Socket774:2015/04/22(水) 22:30:16.84 ID:2gL4aglF.net
修正するとこもあれば詐欺ることもあります

38 :Socket774:2015/04/23(木) 00:18:51.47 ID:wW7U4JYl.net
>>36
たいがいはそうなんだがなw
ここまで露骨なコストダウンは見事としかw

39 :Socket774:2015/04/23(木) 01:40:17.29 ID:f1WsI/oF.net
そこまでしてハードウェアのコストを下げたいものなのかね
長い目で見たら、企業のイメージダウンのほうが痛いと思うのだが
顧客にバレないって思ってたら世の中舐めすぎ

40 :Socket774:2015/04/23(木) 01:42:21.93 ID:rNrT+U2U.net
こりゃ自作コンシューマ市場はAsusとASRockとMSIだけでいいな。
SupermicroとTyanは一般人にゃ関係ないし。
んで、昔は好きで使ったGIGAだけど、もう芯でていいわ。

41 :Socket774:2015/04/23(木) 01:45:07.18 ID:Q1tQmtIm.net
>>40
日本だけに限って言えばそうなるがな

42 :Socket774:2015/04/23(木) 02:02:36.42 ID:4/caNEu8.net
EVGAの印象の薄さ
日本で売ってないからかな?

43 :Socket774:2015/04/23(木) 03:14:23.92 ID:QIAtBWt6.net
使ったことないけどEVGAはBIOSにクセがありすぎる印象

それはともかく戯画のリビジョン商法が他メーカーに波及したのが残念
今のマザーそんなんばっかりだし
asusとかは改悪されるわけではないんだけどR2商法やめてほしい
当の戯画はいつの間にかrev5くらいまでリビジョン変更されてたのがあったような

44 :Socket774:2015/04/23(木) 05:29:38.86 ID:Vk7DBc8s.net
GIGAは故障が多かったのでとっくの昔に見捨ててしまった
今ではAsrockばかりだ

45 :Socket774:2015/04/23(木) 06:01:11.35 ID:Q1tQmtIm.net
>>43
つか使った事もないのに適当なこと書くなよ
他の支那会社のゴミマザーより万倍使いやすい

ASUSのR2は確実にスペックアップだ
戯画なんかみたいに下がらない
ASRockもリビジョン変更は難ありなチップ取っ替えたりとかそんなもん

46 :Socket774:2015/04/23(木) 06:06:13.10 ID:geolFRe/.net
>>44
でもまだgigaが好きな声の大きい人って多いよね

47 :Socket774:2015/04/23(木) 06:20:03.36 ID:ufHr3wVR.net
>>40
MSIはHas-Eで大デマ流したから絶対に許さない

48 :Socket774:2015/04/23(木) 06:22:18.83 ID:Q1tQmtIm.net
>>47
それはインプレスの糞ライターのせいだろ
殻割りして使ってる人もなかにはちゃんと居るよ

49 :Socket774:2015/04/23(木) 06:29:15.37 ID:ufHr3wVR.net
>>48
あの記事でグリスだと噂になった時もMSIはずっと否定しなかった
関係者に聞いたがMSIジャパンなどもグリスだと思ってたそうだ
そもそもハンダだと思ってたらあんなガード付けるかよ

擁護に無理あり過ぎるわ

50 :Socket774:2015/04/23(木) 06:34:48.53 ID:Q1tQmtIm.net
>>49
海の向こうで噂になってるものをわざわざMSI本社が知ってるかっつーの
MSIジャパンは昔からあるのにサポートもサイト更新もまともに出来ない無能揃い
半田穴ひとつも見分けられないというお前も大概だわ

51 :Socket774:2015/04/23(木) 06:43:41.37 ID:ufHr3wVR.net
つか、MSIの殻割りガードは以前からあったがハンダCPUの2011用ではなく
グリスの1150用などだけだからな
ハンダのCPUを剥がしてOCする奴なんて極冷OCerくらいだ

>>50
Has-Eスレでもハンダ穴は指摘されてただろw
MSIがガード付けているからほぼ確実にグリスだろう
ES品だからハンダ穴があるのだろう
って流れだっただろ
Has-Eスレでも総スカン喰らったMSIを擁護している奴、初めて見たわ
ほとぼりが冷めてから必死にポジキャンかよ

> サポートもサイト更新もまともに出来ない無能揃い

こんな糞会社を擁護してる時点でお前は終ってる

52 :Socket774:2015/04/23(木) 06:51:20.87 ID:Q1tQmtIm.net
>>51
いや、微塵もMSI擁護するつもりはないんだが…
OCSocket一番最後に付けたのあそこな時点でもう技術力無いのが目に見えてる

勝手にスレの人間がグリス疑惑立てただけで今回の戦犯はインプレスだ
製品版のSandy-EやIvy-Eにも半田穴あったのにそれに言及すらなかったからな
MSIも否定が遅れたのは問題あったろうけど

53 :Socket774:2015/04/23(木) 07:02:11.16 ID:ufHr3wVR.net
>>52
だから自作板のHas-Eスレの住民はハンダ穴にも気づいた上で葬式ムードだっただろ
(理由は>>51など)
俺も含め「TDP140Wで本当にグリスか〜?「MSIだから信用できない」などと
僅かな可能性にかけている住民もいたけど

だから総スカン喰らったのも知らないのか?
インプレスの糞ライターにも問題あるが、あの場合は諸悪の根源はMSIだ
そもそも現地法人があって本体は責任ない(知らなくて仕方ない)って思考が社会的に非常識

54 :Socket774:2015/04/23(木) 07:11:54.79 ID:Q1tQmtIm.net
>>53
Has-EユーザーやHas-Eを使おうと思ってたユーザーをMSIが怒らせたのは確かだ
曲がりなりにも現地法人による公式回答とそれを偏向的にまとめたインプレスを俺は許さんね

X79でClassfield使って、X99はMSI買ったのに朝から叩かれてて寝覚め悪いったらありゃしない
1366でも戯画と揃ってゴミ扱いだったけどあの時から変わってないわMSI

55 :Socket774:2015/04/23(木) 07:18:20.55 ID:Ix1hFZk4.net
確かにパフォーマンスが低下しているが誤差の範囲にも見えるが・・・・
同じソースに貼られているKingstonに比べたら
遥かに良心的な対応だと思うぞww

まぁ〜気になるのは寿命かな?
その辺りはどうなんだろう???

56 :Socket774:2015/04/23(木) 07:22:09.86 ID:ufHr3wVR.net
変にMSIなんて擁護するからだよw
瀬文茶さんともう1人の勇者の2人が殻割りしてハンダだと分かった時の
Has-Eスレの住民達の歓喜とMSI批判の記憶は今でもよく覚えているわ
そういえば他の業界の奴?でハンダとグリスが混在してるとか言ってる奴もいたな
あの知ったかはどうなったんだ?業界人としてはデマ流して終ってると思うんだが

57 :Socket774:2015/04/23(木) 07:45:32.53 ID:YdB1rnAR.net
戯画は前にも電源でこんな事あったよね?

58 :Socket774:2015/04/23(木) 09:24:54.14 ID:NjZsDevC.net
で、値段は安くなってたの?
10ドル以上売価が下がってれば納得は
するけど。

59 :Socket774:2015/04/23(木) 11:32:52.47 ID:bw23e/DN.net
ASRockの台頭によって御三家から蹴落とされたMSIが戯画を蹴って御三家復帰したいんだろ
残念だがAS勢の二強になって戯画、MSIはその他に入るだけだから

60 :Socket774:2015/04/23(木) 11:46:15.22 ID:yAoijlYs.net
まさか近い将来BIOSTARが覇権を握る事になろうとは
僕達は知るよしもなかった

61 :Socket774:2015/04/23(木) 11:48:39.31 ID:hFxyoCfv.net
ギガって昔から安定性売りにしてたけどデュアルbiosなのにちょっと無理しただけで両方同時に飛んだりusb死んだりで胡散臭いメーカーだとは思ってた。

62 :Socket774:2015/04/23(木) 12:21:58.40 ID:kQvSgCWE.net
AOpenはどこへ行ったの?

63 :Socket774:2015/04/23(木) 12:27:50.08 ID:n0mwwmYV.net
DFIやABITを愛用してた

64 :Socket774:2015/04/23(木) 12:28:17.32 ID:yoSQcDcC.net
>>62
そんなゴミメーカーは死んだよ

65 :Socket774:2015/04/23(木) 13:06:20.87 ID:NjZsDevC.net
俺の初自作Pentium3マシンがaopen
やったな
今はケースで名前を見るくらいに
なってしもうた

66 :Socket774:2015/04/23(木) 13:30:34.66 ID:/veiUGkT.net
>>60
BIOファンのオレ歓喜w

67 :Socket774:2015/04/23(木) 15:08:51.78 ID:3ZvU0RVB.net
>>62
ベアボーン屋になった

68 :Socket774:2015/04/23(木) 15:29:12.63 ID:kZAF7aS4.net
違う見方があるそうだ
話によれば海外ではパフォーマンスに不安視する人がいるけれど、電力需給が先進国で不安定な日本には有利という見方も。

69 :Socket774:2015/04/23(木) 15:39:27.06 ID:NjZsDevC.net
有利ってなんだよw
バカじゃね?

70 :Socket774:2015/04/23(木) 15:50:52.67 ID:eJja4bsH.net
(゚Д゚)それは凄いネ!

71 :Socket774:2015/04/23(木) 17:14:22.27 ID:rNrT+U2U.net
SOLTEKとかEPoXとかいいもの出してたんだよなあ…、死屍累々だ
んで、そんな昔の中華コンデンサ妊娠祭りな時期にも、MSIはアレな対応で叩かれてた気がする
あからさまな外れが少なくて大生産力ってだけで、嫌われてもよく生き残ってると感心するわ

72 :Socket774:2015/04/23(木) 17:26:01.22 ID:Vk7DBc8s.net
ウチにはまだAOpen,Soltek,Soyo機が動態保存してある
だがGIGAは無い
ABitも無い

73 :Socket774:2015/04/23(木) 18:19:17.60 ID:3ZvU0RVB.net
消えた部品メーカーまとめ
ABIT→2008年頃消滅(詳細不明)
DFI→コンシューマ向けからは撤退、産業・組込用メーカーとして現存
EPoX→2007年消滅?その後SUPoXとして現存
Iwill→消えた(詳細不明)
Matrox→昨年、ついにAMD製GPU搭載グラボを発売、今後自社でGPUは作らなくなるらしい
JTS→アタリの子会社になったが金使いが荒く破産

74 :Socket774:2015/04/23(木) 18:22:31.97 ID:Dn0IokkD.net
電源部にヒートシンクも付けないようなゴミ揃いだったからな
DFIぐらいか唯一まともだったのも

75 :Socket774:2015/04/23(木) 19:10:42.32 ID:WUqYR9yx.net
>>73
Iwillの875Pマザー使ってたけど再起動しないとLANが普通に動いてくれない欠陥があったわ

76 :Socket774:2015/04/23(木) 19:22:35.88 ID:pCJSK9ZG.net
デカイニュースだと思うんだが騒がれてないよな

77 :Socket774:2015/04/23(木) 22:59:48.53 ID:jmDKjDjL.net
そら対象のマザボが現役だったの去年の夏頃だもん。
初値9000円、最安値4500円くらいの製品だし騒ぎようがないよ。

ただね。戯画全般に買わなくなるのは事実かな。

78 :Socket774:2015/04/23(木) 23:00:29.80 ID:6kO15pXh.net
>>67
Shuttleもベアボーン屋になっちゃったね

79 :Socket774:2015/04/23(木) 23:12:01.70 ID:arw+7dqK.net
GA-X79-UD3のPWMが燃えた頃から怪しいと思ってた

80 :Socket774:2015/04/23(木) 23:16:40.38 ID:/veiUGkT.net
http://anago.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/jisaku/1322355830/173

VRMが燃えたってこれか

81 :sage:2015/04/23(木) 23:31:50.47 ID:JuuOcMQzQ
最近初めてこの会社のグラボ買ったけど不安になってきた、、、

82 :Socket774:2015/04/23(木) 23:53:20.43 ID:rNrT+U2U.net
何台か買い換えてるけど、マザーの死亡が原因なのはGIGAだけだったわ
ブルー基盤のかっこよさやLFBなど、良品に見えたんだがなあ <GA-MA78GPM-DS2H

83 :Socket774:2015/04/24(金) 00:30:15.71 ID:SqiAu8Oo.net
個体差による運もあるだろうけど使い込んでみんと実際のところは見た目だけではマザーは分からんね

84 :Socket774:2015/04/24(金) 00:53:03.12 ID:OQz5jHH+.net
Albatron…

85 :Socket774:2015/04/24(金) 08:46:36.79 ID:HhmQd4bM.net
アルバトロンは一応コンシューマー向け出してなかった?
でも、やる気無さそうな感じで殆ど組み込みようとかじゃないの?

86 :Socket774:2015/04/24(金) 10:20:02.81 ID:UYKF835y.net
安売りしてたからGA-Z97X-UD5H-BK (rev. 1.0)買ってみた
これからRev.2とかになって何が減るのかちょっと楽しみ

実際使っての感想だが・・・普通じゃね?
安定してるし、これといった不具合もないね

87 :Socket774:2015/04/24(金) 10:32:35.10 ID:sb3pzbfN.net
こういうリビジョン変更によるパーツの変遷をまとめた同人誌とか出ないかな 超読みたい

88 :Socket774:2015/04/24(金) 11:22:43.53 ID:vh4aafMa.net
パソコンパーツでやる場合は、型番を
変えろよって話だろ
安定してるからいいという話じゃないし

89 :Socket774:2015/04/24(金) 13:02:11.81 ID:5y9VBViK.net
B85なんてそんなに需要あんの?
低スペックマザーなんだから騒ぐ程の事じゃないじゃん。
そもそも誰が何目的で買うのか不明。
このチップセットにこだわるメリットって何ぞ?

90 :Socket774:2015/04/24(金) 13:08:13.56 ID:sGoAUqWd.net
>>89
全く説得力のない擁護で火消し乙

91 :Socket774:2015/04/24(金) 13:13:18.02 ID:SqiAu8Oo.net
このクラスのマザーは固体コンでNICとHDコーデックが蟹なら十分と思いましたが…

92 :Socket774:2015/04/24(金) 13:17:24.80 ID:vh4aafMa.net
はてさて、チップセット固有の話なん
ですかねえ。
俺にはそう思えないんですが

93 :Socket774:2015/04/24(金) 15:12:33.61 ID:StqzJk26.net
>>89
PCIあるから一部に人気が
工業用にも使えるけど別物ポンコツ化させられたら詐欺だな

94 :Socket774:2015/04/24(金) 15:18:21.62 ID:8ZV4Fx7H.net
3DMarkのスコアは上がっている不思議
低い方が良かったんだっけか?

95 :Socket774:2015/04/24(金) 15:24:11.00 ID:SqiAu8Oo.net
>>93
でもブリッジチップ経由ですしおすし

96 :Socket774:2015/04/24(金) 16:28:58.55 ID:gRsjAM9s.net
>>95
Bはブリッジないんじゃねーの?

97 :Socket774:2015/04/24(金) 16:37:27.31 ID:SqiAu8Oo.net
>>96
それはB75までですわ

98 :Socket774:2015/04/24(金) 19:59:07.87 ID:808sdhdF.net
これってPlextor

99 :Socket774:2015/04/24(金) 20:05:25.86 ID:808sdhdF.net
途中で書いちゃった、すまぬ

これってPlextorのM5Pと同じ改悪っぽいけどM5Pはメモリ二倍にして出来る限り使用前に近づける努力は見えた。
こちらは単純に品質下げるのを目的にしてるから悪質だよなぁ

GIGABYTEの見解を見たい

100 :Socket774:2015/04/24(金) 20:15:34.27 ID:+JrpUACP.net
GIGABYTEはUEFI導入も遅かったし技術力低下してる印象しかない

101 :Socket774:2015/04/24(金) 21:08:38.38 ID:P1Utt1FL.net
B85って安く組むときいいスペックだろ

102 :Socket774:2015/04/24(金) 21:10:19.48 ID:99oZkG25.net
ねーよ

103 :Socket774:2015/04/24(金) 22:12:32.00 ID:yZQi3xFh.net
>>101
安さならH81でしょ。
ところで、SATA2のメリットってあるのかな?

104 :Socket774:2015/04/24(金) 22:59:46.45 ID:z712RUsA.net
>>9
GA-Z97X-Gaming 3
1.0のノーマル音響コンデンサから
1.1はGaming5やMSIと同じ金のニチコンコンデンサに格上げ
ただし日本は1.0で終息品

105 :Socket774:2015/04/24(金) 23:11:53.25 ID:7ZcpWlb0.net
LGA775の時の変態でPen4までしか対応してなかったのがリビジョンが上がっていって
最後の方はCore2対応してたのもあったな
日本じゃ最初のしか出なかったけど

106 :Socket774:2015/04/24(金) 23:24:45.03 ID:s0woh+Dj.net
775というかi865Gでだろ。

107 :Socket774:2015/04/24(金) 23:25:57.78 ID:s0woh+Dj.net
Gigaのcore2 が使えるi865Gも少数出回ったと記憶している。

108 :Socket774:2015/04/24(金) 23:30:46.29 ID:Hn9OJSGz.net
EP45に至っては乱発してたような・・・

109 :Socket774:2015/04/24(金) 23:47:14.33 ID:i+O091bU.net
モニタの端子が揃ってればいいがためにB85選ぶ場合
H81でもモノによってはHDMI込3端子とかあるから
値段順に両方検討するといいのかも

110 :Socket774:2015/04/25(土) 05:36:46.48 ID:SWZ7nBWO.net
昔のバイクや車でもリコール出すのを嫌って苦情が出たパーツは
品番の最後とかを変えたりしてしれっとしてたな
本質はああいうのと同じなんだろうよ

111 :Socket774:2015/04/25(土) 11:09:16.15 ID:0XuBe/PH.net
ビジネス向けなら省電力でいいな
ocするなら別の板を選ぶわけだし

112 :Socket774:2015/04/25(土) 11:26:50.73 ID:A9ibbXoD.net
>>111
B85って消費電力少ないの?
そこまで気にして選んでなかったよ。勉強になりました。

113 :Socket774:2015/04/25(土) 11:29:48.24 ID:6bdKzhzs.net
>>112
そんなことない

114 :Socket774:2015/04/25(土) 12:08:57.81 ID:A9ibbXoD.net
>>113
そんなことないんかいっ!(ズコー

115 :Socket774:2015/04/25(土) 19:42:03.23 ID:23Mo/xBo.net
マザーはチューニングをして性能が決まる
エイスースは羅セイバートゥースとマキシマスがあるけど、どっちが上なんだっけ?

116 :Socket774:2015/04/25(土) 20:02:50.00 ID:6bdKzhzs.net
>>115
英語でおK

117 :Socket774:2015/04/25(土) 20:13:59.98 ID:vxXznKXu.net
>>115
マキシマス(R.O.Gシリーズ)…ゲームやオーバークロック向け
セイバートゥース(TUFシリーズ)…高耐久製品

どっちが上というより用途によって異なる。ゲーム向けのチューニングなら
R.O.Gシリーズが充実しているし、苛酷な環境(温度差の激しい環境や
埃が多い等)や普通に使ってマザーを長持ちさせたいのなら
TUFシリーズと分かれる。

118 :Socket774:2015/04/25(土) 20:28:45.79 ID:6bdKzhzs.net
概ねあってるけど唯のブランド分けだから少しの差でしかないぞ
TUFはRanger程度の機能にExtremeの頑強さ付けただけ

119 :Socket774:2015/04/25(土) 20:30:11.18 ID:Dvvl0YtI.net
Ranpage のExtremeが最高だよ

120 :Socket774:2015/04/25(土) 20:32:53.22 ID:6bdKzhzs.net
>>119
RAMPAGEにもSAVERTOOTHはあるぞ

121 :Socket774:2015/04/26(日) 10:28:01.68 ID:Fu5QQ8+s.net
アベノミクスで
税金と物価は、どんどん上がる
改革しないで値上げこそ、安倍信者

122 :Socket774:2015/04/26(日) 18:15:33.11 ID:noAJ3QEa.net
マジで自作PCはアベのみクスの影響でけぇよな。
あんなに安く組めたのにって思うと景気の良し悪しなんて実感しなくなる。
適正価格なんだろうけど、ぼったくられてる気になるわw
今回の戯画もアレだろ?アベノミクスだろ?
じゃあ、仕方ないかw

123 :Socket774:2015/04/26(日) 19:04:55.41 ID:b7V3IJuf.net
物価が上がってるのにリビ変更して値段据置きなんてまったく戯画は自作erの味方としか言いようがないな…

124 :Socket774:2015/04/26(日) 19:19:27.45 ID:JBd2ofN0.net
据え置いてないだろ
大幅に値段上昇している

125 :Socket774:2015/04/26(日) 19:21:44.56 ID:b7V3IJuf.net
為替の影響がある国はそうかもね

126 :Socket774:2015/04/26(日) 19:34:35.27 ID:G5nvrVQ1.net
リビ変更して上質な製品から中→下と品質を下げて
なおかつ部品までも削っておいて原価を下げてるのに
値段がそのまま・・・・
自作erの味方?思いっきり敵じゃねぇか

127 :Socket774:2015/04/26(日) 19:37:05.03 ID:b7V3IJuf.net
当初の仕様のままほっとけば原料費高騰で小売りでの価格はさらに上がってるよ…

128 :Socket774:2015/04/26(日) 19:41:28.97 ID:0Hmi8bKm.net
性能下がって喜ぶ人はいないだろJK

129 :Socket774:2015/04/26(日) 19:45:43.04 ID:b7V3IJuf.net
結局値段と仕様のバランスじゃないの
普通はチップセットの型番とIOポート数しか見てないからな

130 :Socket774:2015/04/26(日) 19:54:18.11 ID:0Hmi8bKm.net
電源フェーズ減るのはやり過ぎだろどう考えても
まじ戯画頭おかしい

131 :Socket774:2015/04/26(日) 20:11:29.82 ID:Vp0fs8+S.net
マザーボード購入するユーザーってパソコンにはかなりこだわりがあるマニアだろ?メーカー品改造とかBTOとかとは違って
ほんの数千円のためにこんな性能ダウンされて喜ぶ奴はいるのかな?

つーか擁護してる信者は価格のためにとか何とか言ってるが
何も言わずこっそり変えてることが悪なんじゃないの

132 :Socket774:2015/04/26(日) 20:15:03.91 ID:b7V3IJuf.net
所詮B85だからな
動けば御の字って感じ

133 :Socket774:2015/04/26(日) 20:17:37.98 ID:XCJr2n9F.net
Z87からZ97も劣化してたからな
もうこんな平気で性能落としてくる会社は買わねぇ

134 :Socket774:2015/04/26(日) 20:21:47.80 ID:KKvY85qo.net
リビジョンなんか付けずに型番変えて別商品にしてたらここまで叩かれなかっただろうなあ。

135 :Socket774:2015/04/26(日) 20:22:43.16 ID:uiJkAsK+.net
>>133
これは全社そんな感じだった気がするけど

136 :Socket774:2015/04/26(日) 20:59:06.45 ID:KKvY85qo.net
ってかなんで最近わざわざ変換チップ載せてまでPCIスロット増やしてるの?
個人で今更必要とは思えないし(それもATXで3つ、μATXで2つも)
業務用のボードは相性にシビアだから変換チップ載せても意味ないと思うし
マザボの選択肢が狭まる

137 :Socket774:2015/04/26(日) 21:01:09.18 ID:09vhIrJ3.net
>>122
正直な話、チンパン福田からローゼン麻生にかけて発生していたインフレの時もキツかった

その後安かったからとはいえミンスが政権握られるは勘弁だ
自作パソコン以前に仕事で苦労したから

138 :Socket774:2015/04/26(日) 21:04:00.34 ID:0Hmi8bKm.net
>>136
単純にPCIeレーン足りないのを埋めるためじゃね
フルで使えないからと言ってスロット無しにする訳にもいかないだろうし
PCIe x1沢山あっても何に使うんだってなるしPCIとかのレガシー付けといた方があと腐れなさそう

139 :Socket774:2015/04/26(日) 21:18:24.02 ID:zZA7i78h.net
Z97にもなってPCIがあること自体がおかしいんだよ。
まったく過去の異物で必要ないし。ほんとただの穴埋め
でしかない。

140 :Socket774:2015/04/26(日) 21:47:47.07 ID:yz6gSF4O.net
レガシーデバイスっていうのは、普及したものほど切り捨てるのが難しいんだよ
未だにPCIを切れないっとことは、世の中にPCI用デバイスがまだまだ溢れているって事
PCの進化が緩やかになってそれらの陳腐化がそれほど進んでいないせいもあると思うけど

141 :Socket774:2015/04/26(日) 21:49:09.30 ID:b7V3IJuf.net
ブリッジ経由だから正常動作するかは神のみぞ知るだな

142 :Socket774:2015/04/26(日) 21:49:26.09 ID:09vhIrJ3.net
UEFIの特定操作にPS/2が必要というのには驚いた

143 :Socket774:2015/04/26(日) 21:51:17.27 ID:ceWH9Mtd.net
ASUSのクロスヘアvフォーミュラからGIGAの970Aーd3pに入れ替えた
微妙にトロくて最初メモリとか疑った
この事件知った
ASUSに戻した
腐れマザー確定

144 :Socket774:2015/04/26(日) 21:53:16.07 ID:b7V3IJuf.net
板でそんな差はつかないと思うがBIOS更新とかやったんかね

145 :Socket774:2015/04/26(日) 22:12:40.24 ID:C9EvE019.net
そもそも入れ替える意味が分からん

146 :Socket774:2015/04/26(日) 22:15:00.87 ID:XCJr2n9F.net
どう見てもスペック下がってます本当に(ry

147 :Socket774:2015/04/26(日) 22:24:18.07 ID:XCJr2n9F.net
そういやUEFIに見せかけたBIOSマザー出して叩かれてたのもGIGABYTEだったよな
なんなんだこの糞体質

148 :Socket774:2015/04/26(日) 22:31:04.24 ID:uiJkAsK+.net
GIGABYTEは自作市場でMSIの下にまで堕ちるかもね
リビジョン商法は過去から周知だったけど、あの写真を見せられるとねー

149 :Socket774:2015/04/26(日) 22:54:46.95 ID:NRjo2Phv.net
H97のPCI3本生えてるけど実質PT2 1枚しかまともに動かん代物だしホントいらねーわ

150 :Socket774:2015/04/26(日) 23:18:45.74 ID:trulngXE.net
リビジョン変更でオーディオ用部分が個体コンから専用の電解コンにチェンジって
俺的にスペックダウンだよ…

151 :Socket774:2015/04/26(日) 23:19:48.74 ID:b7V3IJuf.net
オデオグレードの電解コンに変更ならアップグレードと思いますが

152 :Socket774:2015/04/26(日) 23:25:54.40 ID:0Hmi8bKm.net
謎のオペアンプ出したりと迷走してる感は否めない
そこは変態も同類だが

153 :Socket774:2015/04/26(日) 23:33:46.26 ID:trulngXE.net
俺の腐った耳じゃ違いがわかりそうにない、それならトラブル起こりにくい
個体コンの方がいいかなって、噴いたら面倒だし

154 :Socket774:2015/04/26(日) 23:36:50.86 ID:G+5x3i0w.net
噴いたらコンデンサ交換しちゃえば?と思うとオーディオ部ならオーディオ用コンデンサのが良いと思うけど。

155 :Socket774:2015/04/26(日) 23:37:29.32 ID:XCJr2n9F.net
まともなマザボなら別でサウンドカード付けるとか、回路切り離すのになー
あの金色と緑のコンデンサだけは爆発するイメージしかねーわ

156 :Socket774:2015/04/26(日) 23:48:07.37 ID:09vhIrJ3.net
AM1ソケットマザーでギガバイトだけ消極的だった

CFDはAMDの代理店なのに

157 :Socket774:2015/04/27(月) 02:44:59.81 ID:DpVRx0dw.net
俺はPCI付けるならPCIe x1がいっぱいあ方がいいな

158 :Socket774:2015/04/27(月) 04:53:50.73 ID:yBBfYFA0.net
MSIは例の件とサポートに激糞な
経験させられたから除外してたけど
ギガもか…

去年父ちゃん用にBRIX買ったな

159 :Socket774:2015/04/27(月) 05:37:45.32 ID:ff1g7kGc.net
リビジョン改悪はクソだが全ての製品でそうなってるわけではないし最近の戯画マザーは割りと良いものだから俺は別に気にしないわこれ
これのおかげで戯画マザー敬遠されてただでさえ他より値下げされてるのがもっと下がればうまいくらいにしか思ってない

160 :Socket774:2015/04/27(月) 07:44:21.65 ID:U/xm9qgQ.net
GEN3詐欺で散々騒がれていたのに今更何言ってんだか

161 :Socket774:2015/04/27(月) 07:58:24.89 ID:RY+dnZOg.net
価格見る限り他より値下げされてる気はしないな

Z97 安い順に3つ目までアスロック、その次にGiga
H97 安い順に3つ目までアスロック、4番目にAsus、その次にGiga
B85 安い順、Asus、アスロック、アスロック、Asus…Giga

162 :Socket774:2015/04/27(月) 08:04:47.02 ID:ZhHdZFuh.net
元の値段がアスロックは安いから単純に値段だけで並べたらそうなる

163 :Socket774:2015/04/27(月) 08:08:39.90 ID:8uz0rAWh.net
>>161
代理店が各社で違うからドルで見ないと意味がない

164 :Socket774:2015/04/27(月) 08:15:55.41 ID:RY+dnZOg.net
Asrockと比べるなとか、ドルで比較しろとか
>>161は相当不味かったのか?w

165 :Socket774:2015/04/27(月) 08:20:24.27 ID:8uz0rAWh.net
同じメーカーでさえ代理店で価格差があるのに何言ってんだか
比べるならメーカー希望小売価格でも持ってこいよ
百歩譲っても米・英尼だわ

166 :Socket774:2015/04/27(月) 08:52:13.54 ID:dJPdjeY3.net
こいつは単なる代理店不信の基地外だから

167 :Socket774:2015/04/27(月) 12:52:55.41 ID:mxH0qjT7.net
尼とか毛唐価格なんかどうでもいいんだよ
日本の値段で安いか高いかだけや

168 :Socket774:2015/04/27(月) 18:41:40.43 ID:VVm8Zqb5.net
安物マザボ買うから痛い目にあうんじゃね?
Z87マザーだけどUD7にして良かった

169 :Socket774:2015/04/27(月) 19:41:53.03 ID:PmCaBDBR.net
pa65,h67, b75と使ったが特に何も無いな
1150は知らね

170 :Socket774:2015/04/27(月) 19:59:11.10 ID:VLCi+Ds1.net
リンクスサポ好きで戯画を今まで5枚以上買ってきたし
今もネットサーフィン省電力PC(こちらはCFD)は戯画で
多用してて安定しているけど
今回のVRMの削減詐欺商法にはガッカリした
リンクスには戯画本体に抗議して欲しい

171 :Socket774:2015/04/27(月) 20:07:13.39 ID:4g85ZSmr.net
CFDの引き継ぎは旭エレクトロニクスだったよ。
先日サポートしてもらった、不具合だった…
リンクスもGIGAの代理店に戻ったけど、どういう扱いなんだろう?

172 :Socket774:2015/04/27(月) 20:09:26.38 ID:VLCi+Ds1.net
>>171
> CFDの引き継ぎは旭エレクトロニクスだったよ。

マジ?まぁもう保証期限1年過ぎているから構わないんだが
ていうかCFD取扱い品は全て旭エレが引き継ぐの?

173 :Socket774:2015/04/27(月) 20:10:25.94 ID:B+DHS6HS.net
>>169
B75イイよね(^^)

174 :Socket774:2015/04/27(月) 20:11:36.53 ID:VLCi+Ds1.net
マザーボード、BRIXに関しましては、3月28日(土)以降は
  旭エレクトロニクス株式会社様もしくは
  株式会社リンクスインターナショナル様がサポート業務を引継ぎます。
http://archive.cfd.co.jp/support/gigabyte_index.html


どっちでもOKっぽい書き方してない?
ちなみにちょっとBIOS設定で尋ねたいことがあってCFD戯画を
リンクスに尋ねたけど答えてくれたよ

175 :Socket774:2015/04/27(月) 20:23:56.91 ID:dJPdjeY3.net
この問題は単に誠実さだけの話。
ここまでの変更をするのならば、型番
そのものを変えるべき。
安かろうが悪かろうなのは、自作やってる
オタならわかりきってること。

176 :Socket774:2015/04/27(月) 20:29:21.65 ID:4g85ZSmr.net
どっちでも良いんだね。
旭エレクトロニクスは電話はすぐ繋がったし。メールもすぐ帰ってきた。
やっぱりCFDじゃダメなんだなあと思ったよ。

177 :Socket774:2015/04/27(月) 21:56:33.76 ID:Kkh+kSdj.net
旭エレクトロニクスとリンクスってどっちの方がサポートいいのかな

178 :Socket774:2015/04/28(火) 03:51:55.80 ID:Dq3z4tkf.net
AMDのAシリーズスレでやたらと「gigabyteよいよね」って言うやついたな

179 :Socket774:2015/04/28(火) 03:55:24.69 ID:3VgDTpT2.net
オーディオ奢ってるFM2+の板は正直良いと思った
あとニッチだが760Gのやつ

180 :Socket774:2015/04/28(火) 05:06:19.52 ID:tROol4lT.net
リビジョン商法は置いておくとして良いものは良いからね。FM2や1150のマザーなんかは良品多い

181 :Socket774:2015/04/28(火) 06:12:51.79 ID:Y+pJtC6z.net
>>180
このスレで話題にしてるのに置いといたらダメだろw
何言ってんだ

182 :Socket774:2015/04/28(火) 06:17:15.60 ID:Y+pJtC6z.net
>>179
760GもMSIよりマシだがASRock以下だわ
970ちゃんと出したしな

183 :Socket774:2015/04/28(火) 06:39:13.59 ID:tROol4lT.net
マザーボードはまだ見た目で変更点が確認できるがクーラー外さないと中が見えないビデオカードは大丈夫なんだろうかと少し不安になってくる

184 :Socket774:2015/04/28(火) 06:44:51.16 ID:Y+pJtC6z.net
実はグラボもリビジョン商法の対象だったりする
同じチップでもWindforceの出来が大幅に違う

冷えるようになったからコストカッ(ry
でもしてたらマジで今後この会社信用しないわ

185 :Socket774:2015/04/28(火) 07:15:44.35 ID:9ilCmB23.net
今はまだ信用してるのか

186 :Socket774:2015/04/28(火) 07:30:13.35 ID:Y+pJtC6z.net
P45では多少世話になったからな
Z68でGigabyte関係なく殺されかけたけど

187 :Socket774:2015/04/28(火) 07:33:48.32 ID:Y+pJtC6z.net
リコールはP67だった
震災とセットで死ぬかと思った

188 :Socket774:2015/04/28(火) 19:12:10.45 ID:owd8bSWV.net
GTX780の時は電源強化してたけどなあ

189 :Socket774:2015/04/29(水) 23:45:58.82 ID:JqMv+xnpH
>>154
コンデンサの交換は出来るけどテンション的にかなり面倒臭い。
MB捨てるまで噴かないで欲しい。

190 :Socket774:2015/04/30(木) 07:12:47.51 ID:6ojayI//.net
X58A-UD7や790FXT-UD5は良マザーだったんだがなぁ

191 :Socket774:2015/04/30(木) 07:52:24.40 ID:9/opKrGx.net
他を知らないなら自ずと良品になる罠

192 :Socket774:2015/04/30(木) 19:33:03.85 ID:/Zd+UjCc.net
自分の用途に不便なく使えてるならそれは良品だわな

193 :Socket774:2015/04/30(木) 20:19:29.49 ID:gS0ymo4l.net
ゴミはゴミだけどな
MSIと同等かそれ以下

194 :Socket774:2015/05/01(金) 20:30:35.86 ID:R5r9NgW+.net
MSIがゴミ、と思っている時点で素人確定。

195 :Socket774:2015/05/01(金) 20:38:30.59 ID:2yCDJ3p8.net
AS2社以外は全部ゴミだろ

196 :Socket774:2015/05/01(金) 20:42:01.76 ID:jxfIcBom.net
MSIは何処がゴミなのか教えてくれ

197 :Socket774:2015/05/01(金) 20:43:29.23 ID:uV9kFOqp.net
ムサい

198 :Socket774:2015/05/01(金) 20:44:00.66 ID:2yCDJ3p8.net
このスレの上のレスにさんざ文句書いてあるだろ

199 :Socket774:2015/05/01(金) 21:38:07.26 ID:EIjBdyyk.net
MSIは価格.comで発煙した・火を吹いたというレビューがあった希ガス・・・

200 :Socket774:2015/05/02(土) 04:05:01.06 ID:x43pE6tj.net
sotec時代はmsiは産廃の代表格だったろ

201 :Socket774:2015/05/05(火) 14:47:30.11 ID:WiZ58AMO.net
今度買うならGigabyte候補に上がっている
まあまだ模様眺めだが
リビジョン劣化はいただけない

202 :Socket774:2015/05/05(火) 19:05:44.02 ID:20UAHvL2.net
rev変更で劣化したら他の買うだけだな

203 :Socket774:2015/05/06(水) 18:03:10.06 ID:i8Nrbe/u.net
これ最近の話でしょ?2011年の880Gマザー出てきたけどそんな話聞いたことなかったし

204 :Socket774:2015/05/07(木) 18:20:05.85 ID:0JQU2jUQ.net
>>203
昔からリビジョン商法は取り沙汰されてたでしょ
劣化が明るみに出たのが去年辺り

205 :Socket774:2015/05/07(木) 20:09:33.56 ID:WgU99h95.net
昔からリビジョンがあることは知ってたけど昔も劣化してたの?

206 :Socket774:2015/05/08(金) 17:33:07.49 ID:8huKh8cu.net
骨董品の880G Extreme3を使っているが>>1の電源周りは何とお粗末なんだw
http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/880G%20Extreme3/index.jp.asp

207 :Socket774:2015/05/08(金) 17:44:15.18 ID:T0KzKaqU.net
何を今更
P35DS4のリビジョンアップで銅シンクをアルミに変えた頃からだったじゃん

208 :Socket774:2015/05/08(金) 18:16:15.15 ID:YqMEBRF2.net
年金・健康保険・雇用保険は劣化しているが
これは無視する自作民

209 :Socket774:2015/05/08(金) 18:21:27.18 ID:iA5hJnny.net
>>208
どの辺にGIGABYTE要素があるのか真面目に教えて欲しい

210 :Socket774:2015/05/09(土) 20:35:35.08 ID:D5WOE1NP.net
ギガ”バイト”でしょw

211 :Socket774:2015/05/09(土) 21:04:52.06 ID:u9kXJ4LS.net
は?

212 :Socket774:2015/05/12(火) 01:28:00.22 ID:qQTCRsdg.net
ある種の人間にはDUAL BIOSは欠かせない機能なのだよ

213 :Socket774:2015/05/12(火) 02:07:46.78 ID:aUhlY7nv.net
ギガのデュアルBIOSはゴミだろ

214 :Socket774:2015/05/12(火) 06:21:15.40 ID:QZbnXbGA.net
今どき他のメーカーでもデュアルBIOSあるだろ

215 :Socket774:2015/05/12(火) 10:43:17.10 ID:s/tpQkAF.net
500円程度でROMライター作ったり買えるのに騒ぎ過ぎだよ

216 :Socket774:2015/05/12(火) 11:51:29.68 ID:iHxUE3PD.net
↑それこそ信頼性0のゴミ。

217 :Socket774:2015/05/12(火) 16:17:52.47 ID:s/tpQkAF.net
えっ一々修理だすの?

218 :Socket774:2015/05/12(火) 17:47:00.88 ID:Jy8ugGI5.net
普通はBIOS書き換え程度で失敗しないから

219 :Socket774:2015/05/12(火) 18:01:37.46 ID:PMypiEJ0.net
失敗する確率がゼロじゃない限り、意味があるんだよ
要は保険と同じ
不測の事態に備えておく事が、日々の生活の安心を産むんだよ
普通、事故にあったりしないとかは能天気な馬鹿の考え方

220 :Socket774:2015/05/12(火) 18:03:05.86 ID:aUhlY7nv.net
GIGABYTEのBIOSの悪い所
・一部の上位を除いてデュアルBIOSは手動切り替え不可
・デュアルBIOSが切り替わらなかったりデュアルで飛んだり役立たず
・BIOSROMがソケット式じゃない
・UEFIシェルに簡単に入れない

221 :Socket774:2015/05/12(火) 18:25:44.64 ID:Jy8ugGI5.net
>>219
USBに突っ込んでポンのどこにミスる要素あるんだよ
電源断でもなく書き換え失敗するなら本当にゴミマザーだぞそれ

222 :Socket774:2015/05/12(火) 18:33:01.93 ID:PMypiEJ0.net
能天気な馬鹿は停電とか絶対に起きないと思ってるのかw

223 :Socket774:2015/05/12(火) 18:38:06.30 ID:Jy8ugGI5.net
そのためのデュアルBIOS…
って、禅問答かなんかかコレ

224 :Socket774:2015/05/12(火) 20:18:26.29 ID:s/tpQkAF.net
銅の針金をロムの足全部にまたがるように乗せて半田コテで熱を加えると
楽に外せますよ

225 :Socket774:2015/05/13(水) 09:20:50.75 ID:pABhK1gl.net
BIOSロムを自分で書き換える人なんか、
ニッチ中のニッチなんだから、そんなのに対応すわないだろうタコ

226 :Socket774:2015/05/13(水) 16:43:09.35 ID:Szzl/bAg.net
これがギガバイト商法かあ

227 :Socket774:2015/05/16(土) 09:28:10.89 ID:6HpVBbP1.net
は?

228 :Socket774:2015/05/17(日) 06:11:31.21 ID:e0d/BujY.net
ひ?

229 :Socket774:2015/05/17(日) 06:16:07.16 ID:M+g7sZ2J.net
ふ?

230 :Socket774:2015/05/24(日) 03:53:24.17 ID:pxTvYDuH.net
へ?

231 :Socket774:2015/05/24(日) 05:50:29.13 ID:gRNyXp/8.net
┌(┌^o^)┐ホモォ…

232 :Socket774:2015/05/29(金) 23:46:46.11 ID:/MMUjt9Wv
>>222
停電より交通事故に遭う方を心配すべき。

233 :Socket774:2015/07/06(月) 22:16:30.99 ID:Z5eI3CxL.net
アッー

234 :Socket774:2015/07/07(火) 10:50:56.05 ID:5wQAiwPa.net
>>186
Z68のチップセットに問題あったんですか? 今元気に頑張ってくれてるんですが…

235 :Socket774:2015/07/07(火) 13:11:41.87 ID:VusNDlld.net
GIGAはP35から使ってたが
その頃からREV商法で部品減らされてるって言われてから
今更だな
まあ、それで性能も落ちてたってのは初耳かも

236 :Socket774:2015/08/31(月) 22:44:59.26 ID:vk6eO9KK.net
^o^

237 :Socket774:2015/11/12(木) 08:53:23.84 ID:Ru5B+rm4.net
いかんでしょ

238 :Socket774:2015/12/27(日) 18:17:35.85 ID:EJnYvjl4.net
^o^

239 :Socket774:2016/01/15(金) 22:13:20.18 ID:w/M1podu.net
age

240 :Socket774:2016/05/07(土) 22:20:32.54 ID:RB777Edl.net
今更だけどGIGABYTE G1.SniperZ87 BIOS:F4で
4k液晶モニタのLG 27UD68でUEFI画面には入れない不具合
普通にWindows7起動はするしDPで4k60p出力表示するから良いけど
Z170系マザーは大丈夫なのかな

241 :Socket774:2016/05/30(月) 12:45:29.74 ID:xmlKyHvz.net
ga-f2a88xn-wifi でwifiのアンテナ出なくなったんだが…
タスケテ

242 :Socket774:2016/07/16(土) 11:25:10.52 ID:UNZn2OIn.net
てす、
Slot
😜💣💣
💯🀄👻
🎴🍜🌸
(LA: 1.95, 2.01, 2.05)


243 :Socket774:2016/07/29(金) 22:11:05.73 ID:HQv9/0MF.net
戯画やめてよかった

244 :Socket774:2016/07/31(日) 04:13:26.27 ID:YEMV4rts.net
じゃあどこのがいいんだよ

245 :Socket774:2016/11/30(水) 21:28:27.40 ID:wov2VB/Y.net
また一台戯画で組んでしまった…

246 :Socket774:2017/01/16(月) 21:16:41.97 ID:9aQ2Vn9L.net
asus信者はにわかが多いからな

247 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 00:09:44.55 ID:qBjTwYla.net
トヨタのマイナーチェンジ手法でも研究したんだろうな。

248 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:08:26.44 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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256 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:09:48.96 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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257 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:09:49.76 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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258 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:10:06.05 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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259 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:10:06.79 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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260 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:10:23.11 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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261 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:10:23.75 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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262 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:10:40.05 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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263 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:10:40.81 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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264 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:10:56.95 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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265 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:10:57.74 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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266 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:11:13.96 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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267 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:11:14.74 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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268 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:11:31.09 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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269 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:11:31.78 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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270 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:11:47.93 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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271 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:11:48.57 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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272 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:12:05.06 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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273 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:12:05.70 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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274 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:12:21.94 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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275 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:12:22.56 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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276 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:12:39.06 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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277 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:12:39.82 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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278 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:12:55.95 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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279 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:12:56.58 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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280 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:13:12.94 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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281 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:13:13.71 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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282 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:13:30.09 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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283 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:13:30.76 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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284 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:13:46.97 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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285 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:13:47.76 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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286 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:14:04.04 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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287 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:14:04.71 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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288 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:14:21.04 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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289 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:14:21.72 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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290 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:14:37.94 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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291 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:14:39.62 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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292 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:14:54.94 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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293 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:14:55.59 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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294 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:15:12.03 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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295 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:15:12.73 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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296 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:15:29.43 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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297 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:15:30.15 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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298 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:15:46.06 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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299 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:15:46.84 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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300 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:16:02.95 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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301 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:16:03.61 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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302 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:16:21.10 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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303 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:16:21.74 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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304 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:16:36.95 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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305 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:16:37.60 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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306 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:16:54.84 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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307 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:16:55.62 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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308 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:17:11.44 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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309 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:17:12.54 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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310 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:17:27.95 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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311 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:17:28.63 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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312 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:17:44.92 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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313 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:17:45.69 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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314 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:18:02.53 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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315 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:18:03.34 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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316 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:18:19.12 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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317 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:18:19.89 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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318 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:18:35.94 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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319 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:18:38.77 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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320 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:18:53.03 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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321 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:18:53.79 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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322 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:19:09.94 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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323 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:19:10.72 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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324 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:19:26.93 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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325 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:19:27.57 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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326 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:19:43.96 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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327 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:19:44.60 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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328 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:20:00.93 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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329 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:20:01.70 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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330 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:20:18.79 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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331 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:20:19.47 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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332 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:20:34.95 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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333 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:20:35.61 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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334 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:20:52.86 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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335 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:20:53.67 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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336 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:21:13.47 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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337 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:21:14.39 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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338 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:21:42.92 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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339 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:21:43.65 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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340 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:22:08.15 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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341 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:22:10.07 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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342 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:22:50.96 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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343 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:22:51.72 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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344 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:23:07.93 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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345 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:23:08.57 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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346 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:23:27.27 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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347 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:23:27.96 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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348 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:23:58.95 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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349 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:24:00.75 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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350 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:24:16.06 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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351 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:24:16.76 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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352 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:24:32.93 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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353 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:24:37.25 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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354 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:25:28.88 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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355 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:25:29.55 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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356 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:25:45.94 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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357 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:25:46.57 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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358 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:26:03.07 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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359 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:26:03.83 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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360 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:26:20.92 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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361 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:26:21.99 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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362 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:26:36.94 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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363 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:26:37.80 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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364 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:26:53.93 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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365 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:26:54.70 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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366 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:27:11.08 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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367 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:27:12.97 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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368 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:27:28.05 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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369 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:27:28.69 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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370 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:27:45.00 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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371 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:27:45.85 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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372 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:28:01.98 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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373 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:28:02.68 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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374 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:28:18.99 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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375 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:28:19.86 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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376 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:28:35.92 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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377 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:28:36.66 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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378 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:28:52.92 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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379 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:28:53.55 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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380 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:29:09.96 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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381 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:29:10.60 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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382 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:29:28.92 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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383 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:29:29.60 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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384 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:29:44.07 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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385 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:29:44.78 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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386 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:30:00.94 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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387 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:30:01.66 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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388 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:30:17.91 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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389 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:30:18.68 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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390 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:30:35.03 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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391 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:30:35.80 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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392 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:30:51.93 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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393 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:30:52.58 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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394 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:31:08.94 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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395 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:31:09.72 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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396 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:31:27.51 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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397 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:31:28.17 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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398 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:31:44.55 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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399 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:31:45.39 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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400 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:32:00.02 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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401 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:32:00.72 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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402 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:32:16.92 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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403 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:32:17.67 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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404 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:32:33.92 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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405 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:32:34.61 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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406 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:32:50.92 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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407 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:32:51.70 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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408 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:33:07.96 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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409 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:33:08.64 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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410 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:33:24.93 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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411 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:33:27.58 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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412 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:33:41.89 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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413 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:33:42.68 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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414 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:33:58.95 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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415 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:33:59.69 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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416 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:34:16.07 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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417 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:34:16.91 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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418 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:34:35.33 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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419 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:34:36.10 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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420 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:35:06.96 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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421 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:35:10.19 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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422 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:35:40.91 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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423 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:35:41.58 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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424 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:35:57.95 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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425 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:35:59.11 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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426 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:36:14.97 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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427 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:36:15.63 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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428 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:36:33.78 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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429 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:36:34.45 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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430 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:36:51.12 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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431 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:36:51.80 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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432 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:37:06.03 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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433 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:37:10.15 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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434 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:37:40.04 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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435 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:37:41.90 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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436 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:37:57.08 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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437 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:37:57.72 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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438 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:38:13.91 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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439 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:38:14.72 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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440 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:38:30.93 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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441 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:38:36.04 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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442 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:39:07.96 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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443 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:39:09.03 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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444 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:39:39.04 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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445 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:39:39.70 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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446 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:39:56.03 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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447 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:39:56.81 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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448 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:40:12.92 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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449 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:40:13.78 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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450 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:40:30.02 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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451 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:40:30.72 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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452 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:40:46.92 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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453 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:40:47.62 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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454 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:41:04.52 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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455 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:41:05.30 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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456 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:41:32.05 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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457 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:41:32.73 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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458 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:41:55.04 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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459 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:41:55.68 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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460 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:42:12.04 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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461 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:42:12.81 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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462 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:42:29.16 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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463 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:42:30.09 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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464 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:42:46.05 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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465 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:42:46.78 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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466 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:43:03.14 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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467 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:43:03.94 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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468 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:43:21.60 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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469 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:43:22.54 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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470 :Socket774:2017/01/26(木) 22:43:37.11 ID:FKZ7d51l.net
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485 :Socket774:2017/05/10(水) 09:33:07.00 ID:j0GzKbjh.net
ver1.0以外は買っちゃダメってこと?

486 :Socket774:2017/05/14(日) 08:16:34.27 ID:Vs53Cxzh.net
そうです

487 :Socket774:2017/05/15(月) 09:23:36.40 ID:uSb0Xe0F.net
Revが上がればその分修正されて良くなってると思うのを悪用した悪い子ですね

488 :Socket774:2017/06/19(月) 21:37:25.16 ID:r4auZ+7M.net
昔のギガはrev1.0とそれ以降が>>1の逆だったのに…
そう俺が今でも使い続けている965p-ds3はまさにそうだった
rev1.0の電源フェーズは3つしかないのに2.0で6つにしたり
2.0以降でしか後発のCPU載せられない外道仕様だったのに
まあベクトルが変わっただけで外道に変わりはないか

489 :Socket774:2017/06/19(月) 21:38:25.96 ID:r4auZ+7M.net
そういえば965P-DS3スレがなくなって久しいな…

490 :Socket774:2017/10/19(木) 21:11:54.44 ID:qN/NIddnH.net
許すまじ

491 :Socket774:2018/01/06(土) 16:24:59.50 ID:sTgK4SOQ.net
EP45-UD3Rが不具合出て、買い替えたらメモリからCPUまで新調しなくちゃいけなくなるんですけど、
中古のマザボを購入して使うという選択肢は有りですか?やはり基盤などの中古は逆に高く付きますかね?

492 :Socket774:2018/02/07(水) 17:52:11.69 ID:1fUMX+4j.net
>>491
それって本当にマザボだけの問題なの?
そこが心配だね。

思いきってH170+i5+DDR4-2133あたりで組んだ方がいいんじゃなかろうか。
他のドライブも全部古いとなるとなし崩し的に全部買い換えになって大変な気もするけどね。

493 :Socket774:2018/02/13(火) 18:30:36.39 ID:p4YSks4N.net
風化を許すな

494 :Socket774:2018/02/26(月) 00:13:09.13 ID:U0fSXSkq.net
許すまじ

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